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**Group:**Math, Math Education, Math Culture

Marsigit Dr MA • Outside perception is sometime not good to the students, because they tend to judge rather than to facilitate. Further read my web http://powermathematics.blogspot.com

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William Galinaitis • "Scientific American Mind" (july or august issue?)
has summary articles on how various factors affect the mind of early learners.
Brain activity related to behavior and learning seems to be composed of genetic
and environment ( cultural, family, chemical...) factors (You already know
this.) How ever I was suprised how much stress that the children experience may
affect their ability to control their classroom beahvior, and therefore their
ability to focus on a single activity. Just a thought outside the Idea that it
is only the system and not the student.

Frances Winters • Is it not perhaps that math is like walking. Thousands of
years ago our ancestors began to walk on two legs, some better than others.
Took ages before everyone was good at it and took walking for granted.

Ginetta Nistoran • I've noticed more and more these days that math is taught
using memorization and mechanical repetition, rather than an understanding of
mechanics and logic. Very often the students are able to solve a problem very
similar to the one taught in the classroom, but as soon as the layout changes,
they are not able to see a pattern, or the fact that they need to apply the
same concepts in a different form. For me, that means a superficial learning,
based more on memorization than on logic.

Henry Schaffer • @Ginetta - in some fields we call this "plug and
chug". One remembers the method, plugs in the new numbers, turns the crank
and out pops the answer.

I agree that this superficial - and should *not* be more than a small portion of math.

I agree that this superficial - and should *not* be more than a small portion of math.

Marsigit Dr MA • The
architectonic of Kant teach us that mathematics is the business of the
students' architectonic. So, for me, whatever the external criteria to measure
students mathematics is always mislead. The genesis competence of mathematics
is really their architectonic. So, the problem for the teachers is how to
uncover mathematics depth inside of the students. Until then you get the
criteria of the success of your teaching mathematics after you hear the
students' claim that mathematics really belong to them.

Further read my web http://powermathematics.blogspot.com

And also my works on http://staff.uny.ac.id, click FMIPA, click Pendidikan Matematika, click APPLY and chose Marsigit. Thanks

Further read my web http://powermathematics.blogspot.com

And also my works on http://staff.uny.ac.id, click FMIPA, click Pendidikan Matematika, click APPLY and chose Marsigit. Thanks

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Henry Schaffer • @Marsigit - you seem to be saying it isn't possible to
measure a student's progress in math. Am I interpreting you post correctly?

William Galinaitis • Agree with Marsigit: An educator is important in the moment
when a learner is trying place new knowledge in to the context of their own
understanding of the world. Sometimes I can "read" the student (ask
them questions, have them try to explain a concept to others...) and provide
the appropriate stepping stones for them to integrate the new material into
their framework or modify it.

Plug and chug has its place. You have "memorized" a significant amount of material about the world. This allows you to quickly recall disjoint pieces of information and formulate them in to a sentence for communication. If you had to look up the definition of each word in the formation of a sentence, you would probably forget what you were trying to communicate.

Plug and chug has its place. You have "memorized" a significant amount of material about the world. This allows you to quickly recall disjoint pieces of information and formulate them in to a sentence for communication. If you had to look up the definition of each word in the formation of a sentence, you would probably forget what you were trying to communicate.

Susan Northridge • I agree with many of the previous comments. Practice is key
and I find that my hardest working students (not necessarily the most brilliant
ones) are the most successful. I also agree that there is something lacking in
the way basic math is being taught in the lower grades. I teach calculus and I
am always amazed at how many of my students still struggle with basic
fractions.

Anne Patterson • I agree that fractions are an ongoing issue for students at
all levels. It sure makes a case for switching over to the metric system for
ALL measurement!

Judy Dobles, MBA • My observation is that if the desire is there, people then
show the dedication to learn. In American culture it is socially unacceptable
to be illiterate but socially acceptable to be innumerate. Our first step is to
begin a culture change to show people that math is the underpinning of
everything we do so that they want to learn math.

Marsigit Dr MA • @ Henry Schaffer and others: By nature it is impossible to
measure a student's progress of math using a certain approach or criteria.
Objective test is very bad because it is gambling. I have been trying to
promote new paradigm that LEARNING is constructing activity anywhere and anytime,
not much depend on teacher. Consequently, MEASURING the students competent of
math is also in the means of anywhere and anytime, i.e. continuously and using
various approach (tools), e.g. portfolio. The criterion test is really
dangerous to the students because it is the act of REDUCTION or simplifying of
students' characteristics. This will produce partially psychological character
of students and ultimately produce problematic students. So then I think there
is no choice for the teachers to acknowledge, trust and empower the students in
term of facilitating their needs in learning math as their effort to construct
their own life (math). Thank's

Henry Schaffer • @Khaled - I think that this thread has mostly been about
counting - arithmetic - algebra and geometry. Not very theoretical math areas.

@Marsigit - I disagree that the teacher, and teachers' practices - are mostly irrelevant.

I also disagree with what I think you are saying "By nature it is impossible to measure a student's progress of math using a certain approach or criteria. Objective test is very bad because it is gambling." Asking a student 6 x 7 = ? or "Prove that the sum of the angles ..." are object tests. They are "gambling" in the sense that they are a partial sample of the entire subject area. But a (validly chosen) sample does give valid information about the universe sampled.

@Marsigit - I disagree that the teacher, and teachers' practices - are mostly irrelevant.

I also disagree with what I think you are saying "By nature it is impossible to measure a student's progress of math using a certain approach or criteria. Objective test is very bad because it is gambling." Asking a student 6 x 7 = ? or "Prove that the sum of the angles ..." are object tests. They are "gambling" in the sense that they are a partial sample of the entire subject area. But a (validly chosen) sample does give valid information about the universe sampled.

Henry Schaffer • @Anne - I use the metric system now and then - and when I
want to divide 2 liters of orange juice equally among 7 people, can I describe
this without using fractions? :-)

larens imanyuel • @Susan.

To teach fractions effectively one needs to teach division as the inverse of multiplication. For multiplication one aggregates unit squares into rectangles. For division one may need to divide unit squares into smaller rectangles. One also needs to teach that one is the multiplicative identity. Rational arithmetic and its rules naturally follows from this, so there is no need for students to have a hard time with fractions. Teachers generally switch representations when going to fractions, so leave students confused.

To teach fractions effectively one needs to teach division as the inverse of multiplication. For multiplication one aggregates unit squares into rectangles. For division one may need to divide unit squares into smaller rectangles. One also needs to teach that one is the multiplicative identity. Rational arithmetic and its rules naturally follows from this, so there is no need for students to have a hard time with fractions. Teachers generally switch representations when going to fractions, so leave students confused.

larens imanyuel • @Anne.

Scientists use different systems of measurement to naturally fit the physical system with which they are working. To omit this fact by only teaching decimal arithmetic and the metric system is to do students a disservice by alienating them from real science.

Scientists use different systems of measurement to naturally fit the physical system with which they are working. To omit this fact by only teaching decimal arithmetic and the metric system is to do students a disservice by alienating them from real science.

Marsigit Dr MA • @ Henry Schaffer: What do you expect by questioning the
student 6 x 7 =?. Do you expect that the student will deliver his answer 42 ?.
What really my concern as a problem is that if you just expect that the
students just think about 42 ? Why should, at the first stage of their
learning, we do not tolerance to look at other possibilities of answers? In my
perception, 42 is just a very static ideot answer. The better and more
brilliant answer is his STRUGLING to find out the answer 42. Why? Because it
reflect his nature of life (math). It is very good that at the early step the
students my get wrong answer. While this aspect will not emerge and not ever
emerge when you use OBJECTTIVE test or CRITERION test. That is really my
struggling how we implement mathematics education that in line with the student
NEED; no just accord with the teacher's expectation (or system outcome
expectation).

Henry Schaffer • @Marsigit - "What do you expect by questioning the
student 6 x 7 =?. Do you expect that the student will deliver his answer 42
?." Actually I do. If not, then the student has a deficiency in arithmetic
and attention should be paid to remediation.

I don't expect or want the student to "just think about 42" - but I do want them to be able to do arithmetic correctly. As far as "tolerance to look at other possibilities of answers" - well, other answers (e.g. 5 or 112 or 29 or 77) aren't correct.

"42" is the correct answer to this arithmetic - it isn't idiotic, and it shouldn't be a "STRUGGLE". If it is, then it's premature to ask the question and instead the student should review more basic arithmetic.

If we never ask such "objective" questions, and don't build one simple arithmetic as the grounding for more advanced math - we will usually fail to have our students be able to understand, let alone master, the more advanced math.

I don't expect or want the student to "just think about 42" - but I do want them to be able to do arithmetic correctly. As far as "tolerance to look at other possibilities of answers" - well, other answers (e.g. 5 or 112 or 29 or 77) aren't correct.

"42" is the correct answer to this arithmetic - it isn't idiotic, and it shouldn't be a "STRUGGLE". If it is, then it's premature to ask the question and instead the student should review more basic arithmetic.

If we never ask such "objective" questions, and don't build one simple arithmetic as the grounding for more advanced math - we will usually fail to have our students be able to understand, let alone master, the more advanced math.

Victor Guskov • @Henry, I agree with you completely.

Victor Guskov • @Marsigit, your opinion is unacceptable for me.

Gail Mills • Yes
Henry! Learning takes many forms. There is a time to experiment and ponder and
a time to master the givens of accepted fundamentals and knowledge. Operating
comfortably with numbers does not destroy the thinking and creative abilities.
Mastery provides a foundation and vocabulary to discuss abstractions.

Marsigit Dr MA • @ Henry, Victor and Gail: Thank a lot for the responses.
Ultimately, I think there is no adult or older people, including me, not to
expect that younger people should have a correct answer of 42 for math problem
6 x 7 =? Implicitly, it was stated in my previous statement. But this is not
the case that I perceived as a problem of the nature of teaching math. I in
purpose have striven to provoke you that, pedagogically, the real problem of
teaching 6 x 7 is not just guessing to get or memorizing 42, but the process of
getting or producing 42. Then, the next problem is about what kinds of the
PROCESS, who and how it to be promoted amid the balance between the role of
teacher and his/her students. In many places, many teachers teach the students
just to memorize 6 x 7 = 42. That's I called it as idiotic math i.e. learn math
without understanding and processes. Some points I agree with you and I
understand the worry of Victor and Gail.

However, I still don't understand about your point of STRUGGLING in math. For me, struggling is something ontologically an aspect of our life (math). As an adult or older people we need to promote to younger people the means of struggling of every aspect of life (including math).

@ Gail Mills: No certain pedagogy action means to destroy thinking and creativity unless it is partial, not complete, and under certain motive of adult. So, there is no the best way to educate people. However, the best way to educate people is if it is without PREJUDICE.

@ Victor Guskov: Having my explanation you may change your position. I expect your elaboration.

Thank

However, I still don't understand about your point of STRUGGLING in math. For me, struggling is something ontologically an aspect of our life (math). As an adult or older people we need to promote to younger people the means of struggling of every aspect of life (including math).

@ Gail Mills: No certain pedagogy action means to destroy thinking and creativity unless it is partial, not complete, and under certain motive of adult. So, there is no the best way to educate people. However, the best way to educate people is if it is without PREJUDICE.

@ Victor Guskov: Having my explanation you may change your position. I expect your elaboration.

Thank

Henry Schaffer • @Marsigit - While I agree that the student should learn how
6 x 7 = 42 (by rectangle, etc.), they still do have to learn that 6 x 7 =42.
Yes, that is memorization - and I see nothing wrong with it. In fact, if a
student needs to go back to the derivation each time a multiplication is done,
it will take much, much too long. As far as guessing - if a student can
consistently "guess" the answers to arithmetic problems - then
perhaps it isn't really "guessing"??

As to "struggling" - perhaps we are using the word differently. To me it means need to use unusual effort with a constant stress of failure. I don't consider it is the same as, perhaps, "study diligently".

As to "struggling" - perhaps we are using the word differently. To me it means need to use unusual effort with a constant stress of failure. I don't consider it is the same as, perhaps, "study diligently".

Victor Guskov • @Marsigit, I take 5th graders and should teach them
fractions, decimals, etc. Regrettably, too many of them don't possess simple
arithmetic skills - addition and subtraction within the limits of 20,
multiplication and division within the limits of 100. I suspect that elementary
school teachers waste too much time on “the process of getting or producing”
instead of practice and memorization.

Gail Mills • With
standards-driven education teachers don't have a lot of choice. My 4th grade
grandson had 204 concepts to "learn". All the teacher could do, if
she stuck with the district's plan, was expose the students, not teach the
students. Teaching does not occur if learning does not occur.

Marsigit Dr MA • @Henry Schaffer: I am interested with your notions: guessing
that it isn't really guessing; struggling that it isn't really struggling; and
memorizing that it isn't really memorizing. Really that's all my points. The
problem is then how to realize them. Thank's

@Victor Guskov: Again, in my opinion, you too much stressing on your own expectations about what the students do or their capabilities. This is really the main problems of education i.e. predominantly employing by teachers' expectation but lack of developing and employing students' expectation. You also seem in a hurry and not be passion to wait the students to develop math and produce their own concept of math. This is also the biggest problem of math educ. because it is related to the curriculum and the educ.system.

@Gail Mills: How sad the fate of EDUCATION due to the standard-driven educ system. Yes I am aware that amongst the global interaction many countries stressing much on how to compete with others. Consequently, in educ also the system means of competing between everything. Why do we not to promote education based on COLLABORATION/COOPERATION rather than competing. You know that in every scene of competition, there will always be the LOOSER. Who will take responsibility to the looser students? No other people except that of teachers. No other people except that of the people who really think intensively and extensively about the nature of education.

@Victor Guskov: Again, in my opinion, you too much stressing on your own expectations about what the students do or their capabilities. This is really the main problems of education i.e. predominantly employing by teachers' expectation but lack of developing and employing students' expectation. You also seem in a hurry and not be passion to wait the students to develop math and produce their own concept of math. This is also the biggest problem of math educ. because it is related to the curriculum and the educ.system.

@Gail Mills: How sad the fate of EDUCATION due to the standard-driven educ system. Yes I am aware that amongst the global interaction many countries stressing much on how to compete with others. Consequently, in educ also the system means of competing between everything. Why do we not to promote education based on COLLABORATION/COOPERATION rather than competing. You know that in every scene of competition, there will always be the LOOSER. Who will take responsibility to the looser students? No other people except that of teachers. No other people except that of the people who really think intensively and extensively about the nature of education.

Bradford Hansen-Smith • The best way to overcome struggling is to begin to have some
curiosity about what we are doing to the degree that self-discipline and
responsibility becomes the result of effortless attention in learning to love
through the experience of doing.

Where does this leave math when teachers, as a generalization, do not simulate curiosity about their subject, themselves having little curiosity. No matter how many good teachers, few students will find real interest in the mathematical form. There are other ways to acquire understanding of pattern and thinking abstractly in "logical" systematic ways.

Competition kills curiosity and love for what we do by focusing on self over others. Maybe by opening beyond individual self-importance we can find curiosity enough to love and cooperate, the first step towards collaboration. Learning is grounded in curiosity, yet we still favor competition, going to war with each other to prove ourselves. It is difficult for students to learn when they are in an educational war zone.

Where does this leave math when teachers, as a generalization, do not simulate curiosity about their subject, themselves having little curiosity. No matter how many good teachers, few students will find real interest in the mathematical form. There are other ways to acquire understanding of pattern and thinking abstractly in "logical" systematic ways.

Competition kills curiosity and love for what we do by focusing on self over others. Maybe by opening beyond individual self-importance we can find curiosity enough to love and cooperate, the first step towards collaboration. Learning is grounded in curiosity, yet we still favor competition, going to war with each other to prove ourselves. It is difficult for students to learn when they are in an educational war zone.

Art DiVito • Argh.
I'm sorry, but I really don't like "competition" getting bad mouthed
like this (I say as I am about to head to a five state Regional US Tennis
Assoc. playoff!). "Competition" exists only because activities must
have a "limit" (typically the limit is time; volleyball goes with
points, tennis with sets, and baseball with outs). If you don't like it, try
cricket, ... but even those games eventually end. : )

When folks, especially teachers, speak in terms of competition "killing curiosity," "focusing on self over others," and "creating losers," then it is time to reassess our understanding of "competition." Life itself is not fair. Get used to it. Courses are still passed or failed. Shall we drop that? Shall we just say, "It's okay, Johnny, you don't know dog manure (about fractions, or signed numbers, or whatever), but you're going to the next course, the next teacher, the next grade, the next school"? Real competition is about having fun, learning to cooperate with teammates, respecting your opponents, accepting defeat, being gracious in winning, and advancing the "game." Perhaps above all else, competition is about "getting it done." What students need to do today, more than ever, is to "get it done." The next time you attend a concert, do you want to listen to someone who is accomplished or someone who is not?

Education has its problems today. Competition is not one of them.

When folks, especially teachers, speak in terms of competition "killing curiosity," "focusing on self over others," and "creating losers," then it is time to reassess our understanding of "competition." Life itself is not fair. Get used to it. Courses are still passed or failed. Shall we drop that? Shall we just say, "It's okay, Johnny, you don't know dog manure (about fractions, or signed numbers, or whatever), but you're going to the next course, the next teacher, the next grade, the next school"? Real competition is about having fun, learning to cooperate with teammates, respecting your opponents, accepting defeat, being gracious in winning, and advancing the "game." Perhaps above all else, competition is about "getting it done." What students need to do today, more than ever, is to "get it done." The next time you attend a concert, do you want to listen to someone who is accomplished or someone who is not?

Education has its problems today. Competition is not one of them.

Elias Gourtsoyannis • @Art. I agree. Perhaps not with the tone. But, you're right.

I once participated in a Mathematics competition in California. At the

time, I did not even know trig identities. I revised until late night from

the textbook. Next day, I took part. Several schools. It was a big

multiple-choice test. Together with some additional questions. The top

prize was an aluminium state of the art log-log type slide rule. In the

test, I did not even make the top 50%. But, I had an idea. The competition

was sponsored by the slide rule makers. The top prize was for sale for $32.

Now, I had some pocket money I had not spent. Given to me by the AFS,

monthly. So, I promptly bought it. It had a beautiful leather case!

Perhaps one of the reasons I eventually studied math?

I once participated in a Mathematics competition in California. At the

time, I did not even know trig identities. I revised until late night from

the textbook. Next day, I took part. Several schools. It was a big

multiple-choice test. Together with some additional questions. The top

prize was an aluminium state of the art log-log type slide rule. In the

test, I did not even make the top 50%. But, I had an idea. The competition

was sponsored by the slide rule makers. The top prize was for sale for $32.

Now, I had some pocket money I had not spent. Given to me by the AFS,

monthly. So, I promptly bought it. It had a beautiful leather case!

Perhaps one of the reasons I eventually studied math?

Marsigit Dr MA • @Bradford Hansen-Smith: Your ideas are challenging. I agree
with you about curiosity and the concept of educational war zone. However, from
your explanation, I found some in-synchronize notions. Curiosity is very
difficult to be directly connected with self-discipline, responsibility and
understanding of pattern and thinking abstractly in "logical" systematic
ways. Why? Because curiosity is something happened in the very early stage of
everything and it is original. It should be free, neutral and not have a
certain burdened. Even the 7 month age baby has his/her curiosity. It is clear
that it cannot be compared with the notions of self-discipline, responsibility
and understanding of pattern and thinking abstractly in "logical"
systematic ways. While the later is coming from the very powerful authority
e.g. adult people (authoritarian teacher or pure mathematician). I agree with
you on individual self-importance as the first step towards collaboration.

@Art DiVito: Comparing educational activity with other subjects e.g. sport, art is to some extent not proportionally appropriate. Education is sometime about long term program rather than short term program as you said because of limitation of time. If you put LIMITATION as the main factor of education, I assume that there is not appropriate foundation or theories of education. You feel you have just very limited time because you feel you have everything to teach, while you may perceive that your students have nothing. I prefer to give the small amount of knowledge to my students in which they are in a hurry running to come forward to me; rather than I bring a huge amount of knowledge but they are running leaving me. So, the concept of limitation much depend on our perception. It is you as the winner who said "Real competition is about having fun, learning to cooperate with teammates, respecting your opponents, accepting defeat, being gracious in winning, and advancing the "game."" I prefer to hear it from the looser rather than from the winner.

@Art DiVito: Comparing educational activity with other subjects e.g. sport, art is to some extent not proportionally appropriate. Education is sometime about long term program rather than short term program as you said because of limitation of time. If you put LIMITATION as the main factor of education, I assume that there is not appropriate foundation or theories of education. You feel you have just very limited time because you feel you have everything to teach, while you may perceive that your students have nothing. I prefer to give the small amount of knowledge to my students in which they are in a hurry running to come forward to me; rather than I bring a huge amount of knowledge but they are running leaving me. So, the concept of limitation much depend on our perception. It is you as the winner who said "Real competition is about having fun, learning to cooperate with teammates, respecting your opponents, accepting defeat, being gracious in winning, and advancing the "game."" I prefer to hear it from the looser rather than from the winner.

Marsigit Dr MA • @Elias Gourtsoyannis: How wonderful your experienced in the
process of learning math. However, it may be difficult for other people to
follow you. Your experience is unique and only a few, while the teacher in a
certain class should take responsibility for all of his/her students (both the
winner and the looser). Your experience is your creativity. Regrettably,
teachers can not teach CREATIVITY. They can only facilitate or develop the
scheme in order the students are to be creative. As we know that other students
are also unique. Of course it is his uniqueness that the most important of his
value.

Art DiVito • @Marsigit.
Marsigit, every winner has lost tons more than they have won. It is in losing
that we know we are human; and we generally learn more from losing than from
winning. We have to learn to handle losing (gosh, I wish I could do that when I
golf!), not shy away from the challenge. ... As for analogies with education,
... education could learn from a few. A wise man once said (I believe it was an
ancient Greek, but I cannot find it; I wonder whether Elias would recognize it)
the now very politically incorrect, but nonetheless true: "A nation that
draws too broad a distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have
its lessons taught by cowards and its battles fought by fools."

Marsigit Dr MA • Art DiVito: Thanking for the response. Again I wish to say
that it is you as the WINNER or you as the POWERFUL SUBJECT/AUTHOR/TEACHER or
you as the COORDINATOR/SPONSORSHIP of Playing Game or you as the PEOPLE who
always have the AUTHORITY to TEACH/EDUCATE ...who said that "every winner
has lost tons more than they have won. It is in losing that we know we are
human; and we generally learn more from losing than from winning. We have to
learn to handle losing (gosh, I wish I could do that when I golf!), not shy
away from the challenge.". And also again I prefer to hear it from the LOOSER
or from the STUDENTS or from the OBJECT or from the WEAKER or from THE PEOPLE
who have no authority to speak. I do really more trust to the last because they
are the MORE. As you know that at every single game there will be always
very-very few WINNER (first, second, third). You can imagine how frustrated,
sad or even feel devastated most of the looser football team in the UK Olympiad
(99 %), compare with just MEXICO who defeat Brasil in the Final (0,001%). For
the people who really love football playing (not football game) they also feel
like the looser. Imagine please!

By relating the scholar and the warrior in a very short distance, you look a very pragmatics people. In my opinion, because education is about long term program, it still needs idealistic people. As Immanuel Kant said :"Practice without theory is BLIND, and theory without practice is EMPTY". So, the scholar without its warriors is empty, and the warriors without its scholar is blind. So it is dangerous for you to be pragmatical alone without hearing me as an idealist because it can make you blind. And also it will be dangerous also for me without learning your notions because it can make me empty.

Education is for ALL. The teacher should take responsibility both the winner and the looser. It is very-very bad and inappropriate behavior for the teacher to urge the looser to give applause to the winner while the prize is only for the winner. The teacher should also consider the psychological conditions of his/her looser students, because their fate as the looser is also because of the teacher's act/behavior/schema. So again, in education, I prefer to promote COLLABORATION rather than COMPETITION.

All that I strive to prove that some of your notions are not fit with the nature of education, and so that I disagree with you.

By relating the scholar and the warrior in a very short distance, you look a very pragmatics people. In my opinion, because education is about long term program, it still needs idealistic people. As Immanuel Kant said :"Practice without theory is BLIND, and theory without practice is EMPTY". So, the scholar without its warriors is empty, and the warriors without its scholar is blind. So it is dangerous for you to be pragmatical alone without hearing me as an idealist because it can make you blind. And also it will be dangerous also for me without learning your notions because it can make me empty.

Education is for ALL. The teacher should take responsibility both the winner and the looser. It is very-very bad and inappropriate behavior for the teacher to urge the looser to give applause to the winner while the prize is only for the winner. The teacher should also consider the psychological conditions of his/her looser students, because their fate as the looser is also because of the teacher's act/behavior/schema. So again, in education, I prefer to promote COLLABORATION rather than COMPETITION.

All that I strive to prove that some of your notions are not fit with the nature of education, and so that I disagree with you.

Behnaz Herbst, MSc.OCT • We need to "teach" in the ways that the brain
"learns"! In many cases, the teaching happens, the learning may not!
I wish for our school system to become more brain - friendly. Also, our
students need to be taught how cognition takes place, how memory works, how
they can focus, and retain their attention for longer periods of time. They
need to be convinced that their brain can change and adapt and that their
perceived inability is really a myth. If we could achieve this, they might be
upset from home, but when in class, they will learn! There is no way they
won't!

William Galinaitis • People learn new things all the time when the need is there
and they are mentally capable. To be really clinical about it, I can sent up an
experiment which shows the innate curiosity of an average person (motivation)
and their ability to learn something new, when the stimulus is correct.

Marsigit Dr MA • @Behnaz Herbst, MSc.OCT: I am worry that your much pay
attention on manipulating students' brain is also really a myth?

@William Galinaitis: In my perception, stimulus-response psychology is out of date. I prefer to use various approach.

@William Galinaitis: In my perception, stimulus-response psychology is out of date. I prefer to use various approach.

Patricia Frey • Because when basic math was taught, it was mostly taught by
generalists who did not understand even the basic math! Consequently, they
taught a bunch of rules and procedures to follow without thinking! How easy is
it to remember a bunch of rules and the order in which they are to be
performed, if you have no understanding of the basis of those rules?

Dr Patricia Frey

Dr Patricia Frey

Marsigit Dr MA • @Patricia Frey: I prefer to use the sentence "...when
basic math was learned by the student...". Regrettably, what you meant by
specialist may still perceive to teach bunch of rules and procedure although
with thinking. In my perception, it is very difficult to connect younger
(primary school) with a bunch of rules and procedure; however, it can be a
certain struggling. I prefer to introduce basic math using concrete object
surrounding them.

Marsigit Dr MA • @Elias Gourtsoyannis: I am more concerned about LEARNING
MATH rather than TEACHING MATH. So I am more concerned about how the student
learn math rather than WHO TEACH MATH. Hence, theories of learning math should
come first; it should come before theories of teaching.

Elias Gourtsoyannis • @Behnaz. This is the view of the 'embedded mathematics'
program advocated by George Lakoff and Raphael Nunez in their their book. I
will provide a full reference in a moment. They do seem to overstate their
case. They claim that 'brain research' has confirmed their view. This can
alienate some practitioners, however. Not enough is known as to what the
'brain' actually does. Aristotle, for example, thought it was some kind or
refrigeration system for the blood. Perhaps our present state of knowledge will
prove just as outdated, some day!

@Bill. I liked your joke on 'sending up' an experiment. It is always healthy to question 'objective' procedures!

@Pat. I agree with you. Mathematics should always be taught by Maths

graduates. However, the reality is that, until this happens, most primary

mathematics teachers would be trained practitioners. Increasingly, however,

in some countries, teacher training includes basic mathematical skills.

With the right trainer, student teachers can, and do, experience something

of the flavor of true mathematical thinking and processes. And, later, they

can pass it on to their pupils!

@Marsigit. Sorry. I just run out of time in editing my previous comment. I had to resubmit it. But, I noted your comment. And, I do not disagree!

@Bill. I liked your joke on 'sending up' an experiment. It is always healthy to question 'objective' procedures!

@Pat. I agree with you. Mathematics should always be taught by Maths

graduates. However, the reality is that, until this happens, most primary

mathematics teachers would be trained practitioners. Increasingly, however,

in some countries, teacher training includes basic mathematical skills.

With the right trainer, student teachers can, and do, experience something

of the flavor of true mathematical thinking and processes. And, later, they

can pass it on to their pupils!

@Marsigit. Sorry. I just run out of time in editing my previous comment. I had to resubmit it. But, I noted your comment. And, I do not disagree!

Elias Gourtsoyannis • @All. The reference is: 'Where Mathematics Comes From: How
the Embodied Mind Brings Mathematics into being'. By George Lakoff, and Rafael
E. Núñez 2000,ISBN 0-465-03770-4. There is a Wikipedia article on it. I am not
sure as to its accuracy. But, I have read the book itself.

Marsigit Dr MA • Thank Elias Gourtsoyannis for the information

Elias Gourtsoyannis • Δεαρ Marsigit. You can call me Elias!

Behnaz Herbst, MSc.OCT • Elias, thanks for your comment, but I was not referring to
enactivism or the theory of embodied mind, brought forward by Humberto
Maturana. I am simply stating that there are better ways to teach math. We
don't know a lot of things about how the brain works, but we know some stuff
and we better start using these facts. For instance, we should teach in 15
minute sessions with a couple of minutes of rest in between and repeat every
hour of teaching after an hour, the next day (a 5 minute review), in one week,
and then in one month if we want the information to be submitted to the long -
term memory. We need to teach our students that when it comes to learning,
brain cannot multitask, so they should not be watching TV and texting their
friends while doing their homework! In a recent study, children who jogged for
30 minutes 3 times a week showed significant academic improvement compared to
those who did not exercise. Physical activity is a must when it comes to
cognitive performance. It would be nice if the neuroscientists and educators
would collaborate and do real - life research together. Don't you think?

Elias Gourtsoyannis • @Μπενάζ. 'Νους υγιής, εν σώματι υγιεί' - a healthy mind
resides in a healthy body. Alan Turing and a friend developed a version of
chess. Where you jog around the house in between moves. And, by the time you
return, your opponent has to complete her next move!

Bradford Hansen-Smith • Art, you state “Education has its problems today.
Competition is not one of them.”

Teaching to the test is certainly competitive when the results are used to determine who gets the prize, from individual students, to teachers, to school board, to country ratings.

Marsigit, the connections I see are when children are curious is that they will stay with what engages them for as long as they need to. Over time they develop self-discipline to stay with what is of most interest and not get diverted to that of less meaning and value. Learning to love what you do is a discipline of the self to that responsibility. Anytime one is deeply interested in what they do, originally growing out of curiosity, there is understanding that expands the conceptual context and system of logic that governs that particular activity.

Individual self-importance is not the same as giving value to yourself in the same way you value others. This is what makes collaboration possible.

Teaching to the test is certainly competitive when the results are used to determine who gets the prize, from individual students, to teachers, to school board, to country ratings.

Marsigit, the connections I see are when children are curious is that they will stay with what engages them for as long as they need to. Over time they develop self-discipline to stay with what is of most interest and not get diverted to that of less meaning and value. Learning to love what you do is a discipline of the self to that responsibility. Anytime one is deeply interested in what they do, originally growing out of curiosity, there is understanding that expands the conceptual context and system of logic that governs that particular activity.

Individual self-importance is not the same as giving value to yourself in the same way you value others. This is what makes collaboration possible.

Art DiVito • @Bradford.
I'm sorry, Bradford, but I regard "teaching to the test" as a
construct brought by those who favor the collective and uniformity, ... not by
those who value the individual and creativity. If you reject competition, then
you reject assessment itself; education would reduce to absurdity. I just don't
understand this desire to paint competition as some sort of negative. The White
Sox just swept the Yankees. Doesn't that make almost all of us just a little
happier this morning? : )

Bradford Hansen-Smith • Art, I do not know about "almost all of us."

I am not a sports fan. Some team, political party, country, corporation, or individual in any field, winning over someone else dose not make my morning happier. The news is full of this sort of thing. I can certainly appreciate all that it takes for an individual or team to preform to excellence. I have done both in the competitive arena and find life to be much larger and more grand outside of the mind in competition.

I am not a sports fan. Some team, political party, country, corporation, or individual in any field, winning over someone else dose not make my morning happier. The news is full of this sort of thing. I can certainly appreciate all that it takes for an individual or team to preform to excellence. I have done both in the competitive arena and find life to be much larger and more grand outside of the mind in competition.

Marsigit Dr MA • @Art DiVito: Assessment is the most crucial problem in
education. I totally agree with the assessment if it means to collect or record
students' activities and achievements. However, it can be a big problem if it
means to evaluate, because the next important question is who has the authority
to evaluate? It will also no problem if the teacher himself evaluate his/her
students, because the teacher is the people who knows the best about his
students. The problems arise when evaluation is carried out externally or by
external institution/board.

If it does so, philosophically there will be a huge reductions or simplification. Reduction or simplification is a kind of psychologically unhealthy partially dimension of life. If education from time to time always produce a simplified generation, then we will have a problematic generation. Look at directly to the phenomena in the society not only in the certain country but also in each country all over the world. So, according to my point of view, the best assessment should be supported by keeping-record (portfolio) both by the teacher and by the students themselves. The form of it can be authentic assessment or classroom-based assessment. Thank you

If it does so, philosophically there will be a huge reductions or simplification. Reduction or simplification is a kind of psychologically unhealthy partially dimension of life. If education from time to time always produce a simplified generation, then we will have a problematic generation. Look at directly to the phenomena in the society not only in the certain country but also in each country all over the world. So, according to my point of view, the best assessment should be supported by keeping-record (portfolio) both by the teacher and by the students themselves. The form of it can be authentic assessment or classroom-based assessment. Thank you

Marsigit Dr MA • @Bradford: Because there important and strategic, so now I
am spying your notions "the connections I see are when children are
curious is that they will stay with what engages them for as long as they need
to. Over time they develop self-discipline to stay with what is of most
interest and not get diverted to that of less meaning and value. Learning to
love what you do is a discipline of the self to that responsibility. Anytime
one is deeply interested in what they do, originally growing out of curiosity,
there is understanding that expands the conceptual context and system of logic
that governs that particular activity. ". I may produce my comments later.
Thank's

Marsigit Dr MA • @Elias: The reference you indicated "Where Mathematics
Comes From: How the Embodied Mind Brings Mathematics into being'. By George
Lakoff, and Rafael E." is very strategic and important. I have just read
at a glance from the sample of excerpt. My first conclusion is that it is
strategic and important evidences and then thus as theories of the origin of
math concept. It is a very good illustration on the origin of math concept from
the early stage up to the highest stage. I am still finding of what happened
and comparing with other theories of how a certain student in a certain stage
is to construct math knowledge, what kinds of math and what kinds of the limit
or edge. As you know, according to realistic-ism, there are four stages to
construct math: concrete math, concrete model, formal model, and formal math.
In an easy way there are just two categories: horizontal math and vertical
math.

Marsigit Dr MA • @Art DiVito: I really wish to know about your perception of
math? How you define math? What kinds of math? Do you have any particularity on
how to develop Pure Math-Formal Math-Axiomatic Math? or Maybe School Math?
That's all are really also my question to you. Is there any reference you may
indicate that I can read? Thank's

Marsigit Dr MA • @Bradford: After a moment I think them deeply and trying to
reconstruct your ideas, I may produce the following comment. I agree with you
about the connection between curiosity and self-discipline. The most important
point is about SELF as the aspect of discipline. As you know, or as in the
common-sense or at least it is my previous understanding , usually the term
discipline is interpreted by something that coming from outside. I now
understand, by relating with and imaging your activities with the students in
searching the pattern of circle, that SELF-discipline ultimately come out from
long engagement starting with curiosity. That the point that I really am
enthusiastic also to expect about the emerging of SELF....discipline. Of course
it needs the experienced adults to develop a scheme in such away that they are
interested and not get diverted to that of less meaning and value.

The next most crucial problem is how the self-discipline leads to a certain responsibility. Responsible of what, how, when and where? To what extent that the degree of the stage of kids mental development come into the process of curiosity-selfdiscipline-responsibility? I think it will be very complicated psychological aspect of learning. Even it has not until the stage of understanding math concept and logical system.

So I agree with you at the first stage, I am still thinking at the second stage; however, I still didn't agree with you at the last stage. I perceive that there is still a huge gap between self-discipline/responsibility and understanding of math concept and logical system. As you know that in mathematical understanding also consist of mathematical method and mathematical content as well as math attitude. I expect that self-discipline/responsibility may contribute to the math attitude; but they are still far away from math method, math concept and logical system. Thank

The next most crucial problem is how the self-discipline leads to a certain responsibility. Responsible of what, how, when and where? To what extent that the degree of the stage of kids mental development come into the process of curiosity-selfdiscipline-responsibility? I think it will be very complicated psychological aspect of learning. Even it has not until the stage of understanding math concept and logical system.

So I agree with you at the first stage, I am still thinking at the second stage; however, I still didn't agree with you at the last stage. I perceive that there is still a huge gap between self-discipline/responsibility and understanding of math concept and logical system. As you know that in mathematical understanding also consist of mathematical method and mathematical content as well as math attitude. I expect that self-discipline/responsibility may contribute to the math attitude; but they are still far away from math method, math concept and logical system. Thank

Elias Gourtsoyannis • @Marsigit @ Bradford@Art

I believe Bradford you have a point. On the principle that Mathematics teaching cannot be that different than teaching drawing, painting, or sculpture. It is another one of the 'seven liberal arts' of the Hellenistic era. In the late Middle Ages, and the Renaissance, this was the standard format for 'university' education. Let us not forget that examinations and grades were a rather late invention. Until then, a student was judged by professors orally and sometimes in writing. 'Portfolio' work. Yet, there were dedicated scholars in many fields. Other than completely practical subjects. And, advanced scholarship went on. In the Islamic world, there was already a strong tradition of studies. Based partly on the Koran but also on Greek Classics in philosophy, mathematics and science. Some may even hold the view that the transmission of Greek learning to the west occurred via the medium of Arabic. I do not know if Arabs used grades. But, I am sure they, like the ancient and medieval scholars, held debates. If learning is based on a 'collegiate' approach, in the sense of 'community of scholars', lack of assessment does not necessarily imply lack of competition. I am sure it is just as easy to to arouse jealousy and ambition by 'winning' an important disputation. As an alternative to achieving high grades. Perhaps the most rewarding acclaim is the enthusiastic approval of one's peers!

I believe Bradford you have a point. On the principle that Mathematics teaching cannot be that different than teaching drawing, painting, or sculpture. It is another one of the 'seven liberal arts' of the Hellenistic era. In the late Middle Ages, and the Renaissance, this was the standard format for 'university' education. Let us not forget that examinations and grades were a rather late invention. Until then, a student was judged by professors orally and sometimes in writing. 'Portfolio' work. Yet, there were dedicated scholars in many fields. Other than completely practical subjects. And, advanced scholarship went on. In the Islamic world, there was already a strong tradition of studies. Based partly on the Koran but also on Greek Classics in philosophy, mathematics and science. Some may even hold the view that the transmission of Greek learning to the west occurred via the medium of Arabic. I do not know if Arabs used grades. But, I am sure they, like the ancient and medieval scholars, held debates. If learning is based on a 'collegiate' approach, in the sense of 'community of scholars', lack of assessment does not necessarily imply lack of competition. I am sure it is just as easy to to arouse jealousy and ambition by 'winning' an important disputation. As an alternative to achieving high grades. Perhaps the most rewarding acclaim is the enthusiastic approval of one's peers!

Marsigit Dr MA • @Art DiVito: I am interested with your claim
"....education would reduce to absurdity".

I may interpret ABSURDITY as something not clear, not effective, not efficient, or even meaningless. In my opinion, this is very-very subjective claim. In the case of totalitarian government/institution/board, they perceive education as a tool or instrument to legitimate and achieve their interests; so they always expect that education should be very clear scheme, effective, efficient, and thus not reduce to absurdity. These also happened in the countries that implement the centralized curriculum. So for the people who are striving to promote decentralized-curriculum, your claim of absurdity can be very sensitive.

I may interpret ABSURDITY as something not clear, not effective, not efficient, or even meaningless. In my opinion, this is very-very subjective claim. In the case of totalitarian government/institution/board, they perceive education as a tool or instrument to legitimate and achieve their interests; so they always expect that education should be very clear scheme, effective, efficient, and thus not reduce to absurdity. These also happened in the countries that implement the centralized curriculum. So for the people who are striving to promote decentralized-curriculum, your claim of absurdity can be very sensitive.

Marsigit Dr MA • Marsigit Dr MA • @Elias: Your last description is inspiring
me. However, I may smooth your notion by indicating that NOT TEACHING but
LEARNING may not be differentiated by one's activities in drawing, painting, or
sculpture.

Further, you seemed made the very technical reasons for the need of learning based on a 'collegiate' approach, or may I call it as 'small group discussion'. Really, it has a very deep of philosophical grounds.

As we know that there are various definition/assumptions about the nature of "KNOWLEDGE" i.e. the nature of "math". As I asked to Art DiVito, but it has not been responded yet, there are different ways to define math. Usually, Conservatives or Old Humanist, define MATH as a body of knowledge or as a body of structure. There are also the same definition made by Pure/Axiomatic/Formal Mathematicians. They usually do not much pay attention to what happen inside the learner.

However, if we read Paul Ernest on his Philosophy of Math Educ., Socio-Constructivist or even Liberalis define Math very differently. They define math as a CREATIVITY or PROCESS OF THINKING or even as SOCIAL ACTIVITIES. Accordingly, the nature of math can be perceived as social-activities. What then the implication to the practice of teaching? There absolutely need that in learning activities the teacher should give the chance the students to do/work math in a SMALL GROUP DISCUSSION.

I do agree with you that in the sense of 'community of scholars', lack of assessment does not necessarily imply lack of competition. Further, I may add that by COLLABORATIVE approach does not also necessarily imply lack of competition. However, jealousy, ambition, and rewarding acclaim are just the impacts of working in such a certain small group.

Thank's

Further, you seemed made the very technical reasons for the need of learning based on a 'collegiate' approach, or may I call it as 'small group discussion'. Really, it has a very deep of philosophical grounds.

As we know that there are various definition/assumptions about the nature of "KNOWLEDGE" i.e. the nature of "math". As I asked to Art DiVito, but it has not been responded yet, there are different ways to define math. Usually, Conservatives or Old Humanist, define MATH as a body of knowledge or as a body of structure. There are also the same definition made by Pure/Axiomatic/Formal Mathematicians. They usually do not much pay attention to what happen inside the learner.

However, if we read Paul Ernest on his Philosophy of Math Educ., Socio-Constructivist or even Liberalis define Math very differently. They define math as a CREATIVITY or PROCESS OF THINKING or even as SOCIAL ACTIVITIES. Accordingly, the nature of math can be perceived as social-activities. What then the implication to the practice of teaching? There absolutely need that in learning activities the teacher should give the chance the students to do/work math in a SMALL GROUP DISCUSSION.

I do agree with you that in the sense of 'community of scholars', lack of assessment does not necessarily imply lack of competition. Further, I may add that by COLLABORATIVE approach does not also necessarily imply lack of competition. However, jealousy, ambition, and rewarding acclaim are just the impacts of working in such a certain small group.

Thank's

Elias Gourtsoyannis • @Marsigit.
Thank you for your kind comments.

A noted worker in the field of ancient mathematics is Serafina Cuomo. Her

main concern is to determine the self-image of ancient mathematicians from

the professional point of view. In other words, how did these ancient

mathematicians see themselves? As practical advisers, as

researchers-scholars, or what? Daily bills had still to be paid,

presumably!

A well known book of hers can be found in

http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Mathematics-Sciences-Antiquity-Series/dp/0415164958

<http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Mathematics-Sciences-Antiquity-Series/dp/0415164958>

She has also written on Pappus, the Alexandrian mathematician.

A noted worker in the field of ancient mathematics is Serafina Cuomo. Her

main concern is to determine the self-image of ancient mathematicians from

the professional point of view. In other words, how did these ancient

mathematicians see themselves? As practical advisers, as

researchers-scholars, or what? Daily bills had still to be paid,

presumably!

A well known book of hers can be found in

http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Mathematics-Sciences-Antiquity-Series/dp/0415164958

<http://www.amazon.com/Ancient-Mathematics-Sciences-Antiquity-Series/dp/0415164958>

She has also written on Pappus, the Alexandrian mathematician.

Yogyakarta,
25 Agustus 2012

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Pada dasarnya kemampuan matematika siswa sama, tidak ada yang brkemampuan lemah. Akan tetapi yang menyebabkannya berbeda adalah ketekunan, rajinnya siswa mengerjakan dan membaca buku. Jika siswa tekun membaca buku, dan mengerjakan soal-soal matematika maka pengalaman siswa terhadap matematika semakin luas, sehingga mempunyai kemampuan yang tinggi, dan sebaliknya jika orang malas dalam membaca dan latihan akan mempunyai kemampuan yang lebi rendah. Sehingga tingkat kemampuan matematika orang itu berbeda-berbeda.

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yang saya tangkap dari postingan ini adalh pertama tentang persaingan matematika yang dapat mengurangi rasa ingin tahuan, rasa ingin tahu couriosity muncul karena ada nya kesenagna di dalam hati, keikhlasan, jadi diharapkan kompetisi yang dihasilkan adalah kompetisi yang meningkatakna rasa kerja sama tim.

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dari postingan di ata juga saya mengathui perbedaan evaluasi dan assesment, evaluasi adalah terkait meberikan keterbatasan siswa, siswa hanya dilihat di akhir, anya dilihat hasilnya saja, tidak dilihat prosesnya. sedangkan dengan assesmentt semuanya dinlihat sebagaia bahan penilaian dari awal hingga akhir, maka dalam assesment menggunkan portofolio untuk merekam segala aktiviast siswa,segaala proses siswa dapat dilihat dari portofolionya.

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dari postingan di atas, saya jug amnegathu bahwa sekolah saat ini seharusnya di laksankan dengan pendekatan kolaborasi/korporasi, bukan lagi pembelajaran dengan kompetisi, membedakan winner dan looser, ini sangat berbaaya bagi siswa, karena siapa yang akan bertanggung jawab dengan siswa yg looser, guru harus bisa mmemfasilitasi siswa yang winner dan siswa yang looser, guru juga harus bisa memberikan award bagi si winner dan si looser sehingga dengan keragaman siswa bisa mencaai satu tujuan yang sama yang itu hasil yang maksimla dalam pembelajaran khsusuny matematika.

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Matematika harus ditanamkan dengan benar bagi anak-anak agar anak-anak memahami konsep dasar dari matematika dengan benar sehingga dapat mengetahui konsep dasar matematika. Maka, perlu dibangun pemahaman konsep matematika yang benar sehingga peserta didik atau siswa memiliki dasar matematika yang kuat.Dan melalui pemahaman tersebut, pengatahuan matematika siswa dapat dikembangkan dan dibangun.Jadi, bagian terpenting adalah memnbangun atau menanamkan dasar matematika pada peserta didik.

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Saya setuju, bahwa dalam proses pembelajaran matematika, jangan hanya mengutamakan bagaimana mengajar siswa saja, namun bagaimana agar siswa mau belajar metematika juga. Dengan kata lain siswa mau dengan sendirinya untuk belajar matematika bukan memaksa siswa untuk belajar matematika. Peran guru dalam manciptakan metode yang menyenangkan sangat diperlukan bagi siswa. Sebab, pada dasarnya setiap siswa berbeda kemampuannya dalam belajar dan sebagian besar siswa menganggap matematika itu sangat sulit sehingga tidak mau belajar. Disinilah peran guru akan terlihat.

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Assalamu’alaikum warohmatullahi wabarokatuh.

Setiap siswa memiliki potensi yang berbeda-beda. Keterampilan siswa dalam matematika dibangun dari pengalaman-pengala man yang ia dapatkan. Maka, tugas kita membimbing dan memotivasi mereka untuk belajar matematika serta guru berusaha untuk menciptakan berbagai pengalaman dalam belajar yang menyenangkan. Sehingga, siswa akan menyenangi belajar matematika dan termotivasi untuk terus belajar.

Wassalamu’alaikum warohmatullahi wabarokatuh.

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Guru sebagai ujung tombak dalam keberhasilan pembelajaran matematika tentunya mempunyai peranan penting dalam upaya mencerdaskan anak bangsa terutama dalam hal matematika harus mempunyai strategi yang pas dalam mengajarkan murid - murid nya, sehingga apa yang disampaikan oleh seorang guru dapat dimengerti oleh mereka. Di dalam mengajarkan matematika, sebaiknya guru jangan menggunakan metode ceramah yang akan membuat siswa menjadi jenuh dan tidak bersemangat, gunakan lah metode belajar yang bervariasi yang akan membuat siswa berpartisifasi aktif dalam pembelajaran.

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Sering kali matematika diajarkan menggunakan cara menghafal rumus dan pengulangan/drill, dan bukan pemahaman konsep dan logika. Sangat sering para siswa mampu memecahkan masalah yang sangat mirip dengan yang diajarkan di kelas, tetapi setelah perubahan tata letak/struktur soal, mereka tidak dapat melihat pola, atau fakta bahwa mereka perlu menerapkan konsep yang sama dalam bentuk yang berbeda. Bagi saya, itu berarti pembelajaran dangkal, lebih didasarkan pada hafalan dari pada logika.

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Metode dan teknik mengajar perlu dievaluasi dengan kenyataan yang seperti ini. Guru perlu memberikan “klu” untuk masalah-masalah tertentu dan memberikan penekanan pada materi ya g merupakan konsep utama. Sehingga siswa akan lebih terarah dalam belajar dan juga dapat memahami langkah penyelesaian yang harus dilakukan untuk setiap permasalahan yang dihadapi.

Menurut saya semua siswa itu mempunyai kemampuan matematika yang sama, namun tergantung dari masing-masing siswanya untuk mengembangkan kemampuan yang mereka miliki. Ada siswa yang tekun dan rajin belajar matematika untuk mencapai nilai terbaik dikelasnya. Akan tetapi, ada juga siswa yang hanya berdiam diri tidak melakukan apa-apa. Siswa yang hanya berdiam diri ini adalah siswa yang malas mengembangkan kemampuan matematikanya sehingga nilainya sering anjlok. Dalam hal ini, peran guru sangat penting sebagai motivator seorang anak, dengan memberi motivasi lebih akan pentingnya matematika terhadap kehidupan, maka anak akan lebih berkembang.

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Banyak hal yang menjadi faktor mengapa kemampuan matematika seseorang atau siswa masih rendah. Hal ini dikarenakan banyak hal yang saling terkait yang mempengaruhi seperti, bakat minat pada matematika itu sendiri, tingkat kecerdasan yang mempengaruhi bagaimana seseorang dapat memehamai matematika yang abstrak, motivasi, dan latihan. Kemudian disisi lain, siswa selalu memandang matematika adalah mata pelajaran yang sulit, tidak dapat dihubungkan dengan dunia mereka. Maka peran guru adalah perlu adanya sikap bagaiman menunjukkan bahwa dunia matematika adalah bagian dari dunia ini, yang memiliki fungsi dan nilai yang kemudian dapat memotivasi siswa. Sehingga paling tidak siswa belajar matematika untuk dunianya,kemampuan yang dimiliki menjadi kuat jika matematika itu kuat dalam dunianya.

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Pendidikan yang baik adalah kolaborasi bukan kompetensi/persaingan. Persaingan membunuh rasa ingin tahu dan cinta untuk apa yang kita lakukan dengan berfokus pada diri sendiri lebih dari orang lain. Mungkin dengan membuka di luar diri individu penting kita dapat menemukan rasa ingin tahu yang cukup untuk mencintai dan bekerja sama, langkah pertama menuju kerjasama. Belajar didasarkan pada rasa ingin tahu, namun kita masih mendukung kompetisi, akan berperang satu sama lain untuk membuktikan diri. Sulit bagi siswa untuk belajar ketika mereka berada di zona perang pendidikan.

Kumala Kusuma Putri

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Pendidikan Matematika I 2013

Assalamualaikum Wr. Wb.

In my opinion, teacher is really difficult job. Teacher, mathematics teacher should teach students until their students understand about mathematics. Teaching students is not easy thing. Teacher should be patient. In Indonesia, I found that almost all of mathematics teacher just give students a formula to be remembered. The reason is there is no more time to explain mathematics problem solving. Teacher just want their students can get good mark in national examination, but I know that in their heart, they want to teach their students about mathematics problem solving. The problem is just time. If there are more time, may be mathematics teacher really want to teach their students about mathematics problem solving. Why do I think people's basic math skill are weak? In my opinion, mathematics just be studied with remember formula, not mathematics problem solving. I think that's what cause people's basic math skill are weak. I think that is enough. Thank you.

Wassalamualaikum Wr. Wb.

RAIZAL REZKY

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S2 P.MAT B 2016

matematika sebagai fundamen dalam membangun pemikiran anak harus dapat terjaga dengan bagaimana guru mengajarkan matematika disekolah dengan metode-metode yang menarik agar tidak terjadi kebosanan. Karena ketika terjadi kebosanan maka minat untuk bagaimana mencari tahu hal-hal baru tentang matematika pastilah akan kurang dan itu menimbulkan efek negatif bukan hanya bagi dirinya melainkan bagi bangsa yang besar, karena anak-anak yang menjadi generasi penerus bangsa dapat menjadi tertinggal dengan anak-anak yang berasal dari negara lain.

Seftika Anggraini

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Pendidikan Matematika I 2013

Diskusi yang sangat menarik. Kemampuan matematika setiap orang memang berbeda-beda. Namun minimal setiap orang memiliki kemampuan aritmatika dasar atau kemampuan lain yang dibutuhkan dalam kehidupan sehari-hari. Matematika dasar yang disampaikan di tingkat sekolah dasar memiliki peran yang sangat penting. Untuk itu perlu diberikan pembelajaran yang dapat membantu siswa-siswa belajar matematika. Terutama pembelajaran yang sesuai dengan tingkatan mereka.

Terima kasih

Mega Puspita Sari

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PPs Pendidikan Matematika

Kelas B

Kemampuan setiap individu pasti berbeda-beda termasuk kemampuan dasar matematikanya. Tetapi apa yang membuat kemampuan siswa dalam matematika itu rendah. Hal ini bisa jadi berhubungan dengan banyak faktor dan bukan faktor yang tunggal baik itu faktor eksternal maupun internal siswa itu sendiri. Kemampuan matematika yang rendah disebabkan bisa terjadi karena kemampuan awal, pengetahuan dasar, atau materi prasyarat matematika yang dimiliki siswa kurang, ataupun karena pembelajaran matematika yang kurang sesuai dengan kebutuhan siswa dalam belajar. Oleh karena pembelajaran di kelas pasti memiliki pengaruhnya bagi kemampuan belajar siswa. Hal ini terkait dengan bagaimana guru dapat memfasilitasi siswa dengan pembelajaran yang inovatif dan bermakna. Melalui pembelajaran yang inovatif dan bermakna siswa akan lebih mengingat apa yang mereka pelajari sehingga ia tidak akan lupa mengenai materi-materi yang menjadi prasyarat atau dasar dalam membangun konsep matematika.

Erni Anitasari

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S2 Pend. Matematika Kelas A

Seperti halnya banyak kita tahu bahwa definisi pengetahuan itu bermacam-macam. Ilmu pengetahuan juga dapat dicapai melalui berbagai cara. Dapat berupa kreativitas, proses berpikir, ataupun kegiatan sosial. Pada saat pembelajaran, siswa biasanya dilatih untuk membuat kelompok diskusi untuk mempermudah penyampaian ilmu pengetahuan, selain itu juga untuk variasi metode pembelajaran.

Mifta Tyas Laksita Sari

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Percakapan panjang yang menarik, saya setuju dengan William Galinaitis bahwa faktor yang mempengaruhi pikiran peserta didik adalah aktivitas otak karena berhubungan dengan perilaku dan pembelajaran tampaknya terdiri dari genetik dan lingkungan. Jadi, guru harus meningkatkan sistem pembelajaran untuk meningkatkan kemampuan siswa dan siswa tidak hanya menghafal rumus, tetapi juga lebih mengandalkan logika.

Mifta Tyas Laksita Sari

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Kemampuan dan bakat peserta didik memang berbeda, sulit dan mudahnya anggapan peserta didik dalam pembelajaran matematika relatif. Matematika itu bisa dianggap sulit, dan bisa juga dianggap mudah. Banyak faktor yang mempengaruhinya. Meski siswa mendapatkan nilai sempurna sekalipun, beberapa dari mereka pasti akan menjawab bahwa matematika tidak mudah. Rumus yang dihafal dan dimengerti darimana ia berasal akan mudah untuk selalu diingat dan dipanggil dari memori dibandingkan dengan menghafal rumus. Dengan memahami konsep, yang sulit akan terpahami dengan mudah.

Jahidatu Lis Silmi I'la Alhaq

ReplyDeleteDalam proses pembelajaran matematika haruslah dipahamkan dengan benar, tidak hanya sekedar menghafal rumus. Para guru harus menyampaikan materi pembelajaran dengan metode-metode yang tepat agar siswa benar-benar paham dan tidak lupa saat sudah beranjak ke materi lainnya. Siswa juga perlu dilatih dengan sunggug-sungguh menggunakan logikanya sehingga siswa bisa mengaplikasikannya secara terus-menerus.

Wan Denny Pramana Putra

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PPs Pendidikan Matematika A

Kecerdasan anak-anak terbagi menjadi beberapa macam. Semua anak memiliki kecerdasan beberapa kecerdasan. Ada sembilan jenis kecerdasan berdasarkan teori Maslow. Salah satunya adalah kecerdasan matematis. Anak yang memiliki kecerdasan matematis yang tinggi akan mudah menyerap dan menerima pelajaran yang baru yang berhubungan dengan matematika. Sebaliknya jika anak dengan kecerdasan metematisnya rendah maka dia akan sulit dalam belajar matematika. Tetapi kunci yang terpenting adalah setiap anak itu spesial dengan memiliki kemampuan yang potensial setiap anak.

Umi Arismawati

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Pendidikan Matematika A 2013

Setiap siswa memiliki keunikan masing-masing. Dalam menerima pelajaran mereka juga memiliki kemampuan yang berbeda-beda. Guru harus bisa mengembangkan semua kemampuan yang dimiliki siswa. Guru dapat memfasilitasinya dengan memberikan pembelajaran yang bervariasi. Sehingga sema kemampuan siswa dapat terfasilitasi untuk dikembangkan.

Umi Arismawati

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Pendidikan Matematika A 2013

Persepsi kadang-kadang tidak baik kepada siswa, karena mereka cenderung menilai bukan untuk memfasilitasi. Siswa memiliki berbagai kemampuan, kelebihan dan kekurangan disetiap pelajaran. Sebagai guru hendaknya kita memfasilitasi siswa dengan berbagai kemampuan. Memfasilitasinya dapat berupa memberikan berbagai pembelajaran yang bervariasi Sehingga kemampuan mereka akan bertambah. Terima kasih

Umi Arismawati

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Pendidikan Matematika A 2013

Seorang pendidik lebih penting mencoba menanamkan pengetahuan baru ke dalam konteks pemahaman siswa sendiri daripada harus mempermasalahkan kemampuan siswa yang lemah. Pada dasarnya siswa memang berbeda-beda begitu juga kemampuannya. guru hendaknya kita memfasilitasi siswa dengan berbagai kemampuan. Memfasilitasinya dapat berupa memberikan berbagai pembelajaran yang bervariasi Sehingga kemampuan mereka akan bertambah. Terima kasih

ULFA LU'LUILMAKNUN

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S2 Pendidikan Matematika 2016 Kelas B

Assalamualaikum Wr.Wb.

Mengkonstruk skema atau pengetahuan awal siswa sangat penting dalam mengembangkan kemampuan matematika. Tes objektif pada siswa tidak baik untuk digunakan karena dengan tes objektif tidak dapat membangun kemampuan matematika siswa dan dengan tes objektif siswa hanya bisa berspekulasi dan tidak dapat memahami matematika secara mendalam.

Wassalamualaikum Wr.Wb.

Rhomiy Handican

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Faktor lain yang menjadikan siswa lemah pada pelajaran matematika adalah tidak adanya kemauan siswa sendiri dalam belajar matematika, terlepas dari cara mengajar guru yang inovatif, dan menarik, jika siswanya sendiri tidak ingin belajar matematika maka itu semua akan percuma, minat terhadap matematika harus dikembangkan, inilah yang menjadi tantangan guru dalam upaya meningkatkan minat siswa belajar matematika layaknya mereka belajar kesenian, bahasa atau mata pelajaran lainnnya.

Kartika Nur Oktaviani

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Pendidikan Matematika S2 UNY kelas B

Assalamu'alaikum wr wb.

Pendapat saya mengenai kemampuan dasar matematika seseorang yang rendah adalah karena cara pengajarannya yang tidak seauai dengan tingkatan kelasnya. Misalnya seorang sarjana mengajar anak SD jangan disamakan saat mengajar anak SMU. Nanti membuat siswa tidak bisa menangkap pelajaran dengan baik. Juga karena pengaruh budaya belajar dari daerah masing-masing. Perbedaan cara mengajar, perbedaan lingkungan pembelajaran, dan sebagainya.

Kemampuan matematika dasar siswa rendah dilihat dari cara dia menyelesaikan soal sederhana tingkatan dia namun dia tidak mampu. Juga cara dia menangkap dan menginterpretasikan pelajaran.

Wassalamu'alaikum wr wb.

Arifta Nurjanah

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PPs P Mat B

Topik diskusi ini sangat menarik. Diskusi tersebut membicarakan tentang keterampilan dasar matematika siswa. Dalam diskusi tersebut disampaikan bahwa keterampilan siswa dapat dipengaruhi oleh berbagai hal, baik dari genetik maupun lingkungan. Kemampuan matematika dapat dikembangkan melalui pengalaman belajar yang sesuai. Kemampuan siswa juga dapat dikembangkan melalui latihan dan usaha yang sungguh-sungguh. Metode pembelajaran menjadi salah satu faktor yang sangat berpengaruh terhadap kemampuan siswa. Penyebab dari kurangnya kemampuan dasar pada siswa adalah karena kurangnya pemahaman yang dibentuk pada diri siswa di kelas awal. Maka penting bagi guru-guru SD untuk meyakinkan bahwa pengetahuan yang dikonstruk oleh siswa benar-benar dipahaminya dan dapat diaplikasikannya pada materi selanjutnya.

Diah Nuraini Kartikasari

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Pend. Matematika A 2013

Setelah membaca artikel ini, saya menjari tahu diskusi beberapa tokoh tentang keterampilan matematika dasar seseorang yang lemah. Menurut Ginetta Nistoran, matematika diajarkan menggunakan metode menghafal dan pengulangan mekanik, bukan pemahaman mekanika dan logika. Para siswa kebanyakan mampu memecahkan masalah yang sangat mirip dengan yang diajarkan di kelas, tetapi setelah diubah sedikit mereka kesulitan menemukan polanya. Oleh karena itu, guru perlu melaksanakan pembelajaran dengan menanamkan konsep pada siswa.

Diah Nuraini Kartikasari

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Pend. Matematika A 2013

Penanaman konsep matematika dasar pada siswa perlu ditanamkan sejak masih usia anak-anak. Kemampuan dan bakat seseorang dengan orang yang lain memang berbeda. akan tetapi setiap orang berhak untuk memperoleh perlakuan yang sama terhadap pendidikan. Supaya siswa terlatih dalam menyelesaikan permasalahan matematika maka siswa perlu dibiasakan menghadapi permasalahan matematika sejak masih anak-anak. Dalam hal ini menanamkan konsep matematika dasar untuk anak-anak sangat penting. Seseorang yang belajar dari konsep akan mudah mengingat apa yang dipelajarinya tersebut, berbeda dengan yang hanya menghafal.